Oh no! I am not disagreeing that TV/movie realm does not count (did I make it sound that way I apologize), and I think your point about being visually covered is awesome and important. It's just that the focus of my posts was mostly about books, since that's where Quark and Beth were struggling. So, like, I'd take Mara Jade as an example of a badass space opera book woman, since she only exists in the books, but Princess Leia comes from the movies originally. So now I am just wondering who the badass women of sci-fi or science fiction (I suspect there are not so many of them but then again characterization is not its strong point anyway) books are.